Afterlife Dreaming, Immortality and Concept of Time

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Comparing a 'dream-state afterlife' to the common concept of 'immortality' in heaven

(2nd edition - March 2008) by A.O. Kime
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Memories, dreams and forever

While thoughts and images stored in our memory banks seem to be the stuff dreams are made of… plus the fact the human brain couldn’t function without memory, there may be yet another function which memory serves. Memories may constitute entirely our existence in the hereafter.

The idea of an eternal dream state following death isn't new however... its simplistic nature says it surely originated in antiquity long before the concepts of reincarnation or immortality in 'heaven'. While a far less common belief, albeit persistent, it deserves further consideration. After all, the lingering uncertainties about the popular beliefs seem to haunt mankind interminably. The unsatisfied question as to how an afterlife might manifest itself creates a sense of inadequacy. Beliefs should 'square', people think.

Yet, to investigate this, can logic serve us at all? Is it even possible to determine which scenario is more likely? Well, perhaps in trying to imagine the problems the creator might encounter would yield some clues. In doing so, it will also establish the line of thinking put forth herein which will hopefully develop a receptive frame-of-mind. After all, receptiveness requires a comfort zone with the flow of logic before one is willing to temporarily shelf their preconceived notions.

Flesh & blood immortality

While the creator is surely capable of producing a body (or rejuvenating the same) for the purpose of granting an immortal presence in 'heaven' if he wanted... but it would seem a complex undertaking if that were the case. Of a process wholly unimaginable, we might only presume cell reproduction would somehow be altered whereby a human body wouldn’t age. Or, possibly, it could be a case immortals aren’t comprised of flesh and blood… but instead being of a composition totally alien to us.

While flesh and blood is what we commonly think of which can support life, we often forget trees and plants are living creatures too. While wooden immortals seems unlikely, it just points out the various types of life which can exist. Who knows… in allowing for the allegorical nature of Greek mythology perhaps the titans were of an alien composition.

Still, It doesn't seem 'natural'... being out of character for 'passiveness'.

Memories and free will

If immortality is possible in some manner… then what happens to our earthly memory? After death, will our memory banks be wiped clean? If they are… then what about all we’ve learned about knowing right from wrong? If we don’t retain our memory, aren’t we just as likely to repeat the same mistakes? Surely we would be given ‘free will’… without free will, immortality wouldn’t seem worth having.

At any rate, a retained memory would seem to pose a lesser problem (for God) than what an erased memory would pose. There could be all sorts of hazards from an erased memory, we’d be virtually an infant all over again and therefore a retained memory would seem best for this belief (heaven). Yet, there is often pain associated with memory. Would a new environment cause this pain to disappear… at least eventually? Perhaps existing in such a completely different environment hurtful memories could easily be forgotten. After all, one dimension tends to make largely irrelevant the others so time and space differentials would likely help.

While pondering such questions wouldn't rule out the possibility of immortality in heaven, they do illustrated the problematic nature of this belief. It reflects a process more complex than seemingly necessary.

Fathoming the depths

So, in trying to make sense of it all, how much has been (or can be) overlooked? Assuredly a lot. Due to the alien nature of etherealness, its bizarre realities, it usually equates to shallow and mistaken observations. Of course, one can continue trying fruitlessly along logical lines or else grasp its true essence by tapping divine intelligence. While nothing is spelled out as a result, knowing its logical disposition is a tremendous aid.

At any rate, whether or not there is a heaven would determine entirely whether there can be immortal beings in physical form. If there is no heaven, then there can be no physical presence (or so it seems). However, a planet similar to earth could be considered heaven… couldn’t it? After all, earth is a heavenly place in many respects. Another earth, or earth itself, could serve nicely as heaven… once rid of the evil and treachery.

Irregardless, it's still problematic.

Even though heaven can’t be disproved, but in assuming it doesn't exist for the reason it is seemingly 'unnatural', requiring 'hands-on' management in several ways, that doesn't rule out the possibility of an immortal presence in some other manner.

Whichever way the afterlife manifests itself, the immortal aspect of it isn't hard to fathom however. In the spirit world, immortality goes with the territory… death is only a material event. So it isn’t a matter of being ‘granted’ immortality, immortality is the reality in the spirit world. Since death makes no sense except to serve the interests of a physical reality, the spirit world is a 'deathless society'. Whether or not one survives the transformation from here to there is another matter.

The dream state

Considering all we can within these points, wouldn’t a dream state be more logical? After all, a dream state would save God a lot of trouble… logistical problems for one. It would also be a manner in which to fulfill the biblical prophesy ‘as ye sow, so shall ye reap’. It would be poetic justice unsurpassed.

In a dream state our image data banks could forever create the scenarios. After all, feeding off of multi-gigabits of stored imagery the possibilities are endless. However, for the purpose of demonstrating a dream state the most likely, it doesn't matter how dreams will play a role, whether controllable, fated or unfold in some other manner. Whatever the case, due to its spiritual properties dreaming would seem a natural feature of the spirit world just as much as immortality.

Aside from the direct hard-wired connection of our subconscious mind, dreaming as mortals MAY also be another way we're already connected. Having had mixed signals, it is uncertain whether experiencing life as a spirit (in dreams) could be considered a direct connection... but at least mortal dreaming serves the purpose of making known the existence of another dimension.

Language of the spirit world

In considering all of this, keep in mind human logic doesn’t come close to resembling the logic of the spirit world. It speaks a different 'language' of a different format with very few expressions (impressions) with an identical understanding. One is definitely ‘purpose’.

While most all words within mankind’s various languages differ, whether in spelling, pronunciation or the alphabet, almost invariably they mean the same things. Each language has a word for ‘water’ for example. Only rarely does a language contain a phrase which expresses something in a more descriptive way. When such a phrase is discovered, often its usage is adopted by other languages. Latin and French terms, for example, are often adopted. Déjà vu is one such French phrase which is often used to briefly convey to others this odd phenomenon.

The language of the spirit world is vastly different however. There is a reason… its realities are vastly different which, in turn, causes the corresponding logic. While it doesn't happen this way but if the spirit world (however represented) was so inclined, it could probably convey the thought meaning ‘water’ whereby we would understand. However, a person, place or thing are physical nouns, something we can easily relate to. The incomprehensible part of this alien language would be qualities, ideas and actions... that type of nouns. In addition, it would be effectively impossible to convert anything into our idea of verbs and adjectives. So goes mental impressions (its format).

These great differences, as expressed through logical discourses, explains the difficulty in accurately characterizing spirit world phenomena. It's why the Bible and Greek mythology often had to resort to allegories. It's also the reason mankind gets nowhere with his metaphysical theories... but to some extent due to the shortcomings of metaphysical semantics (the lack of characterizing terms).

Spirit world logic

So, as for the hereafter, is a dream-state the case then? Well, in order for someone to determine (verify) this they must first learn their language… knowing just one word (purpose) isn’t enough. Yet, it isn’t a written or spoken language whereby a dictionary could be developed. It is more of an ‘understanding’ language similar to how eyes and body postures can send messages. Our senses of taste and smell uses this language almost exclusively as does hearing when it comes to sounds. Only when the day comes we can adequately express in words sensory feelings might a dictionary be possible. As it is, the smell of a baking cake and the sound of a saxophone remain indescribable.

Actually, the common understanding of our senses has been completely wrong as our sixth sense can testify. In considering the sensing capabilities of the spiritual soul might also shed new light.

Even ‘good’ and ‘evil’ would probably be understood differently… although surely having some similarities to our current thinking. Yet, we can’t assume that… the dreadful acts of Mother Nature throws a monkey wrench into that logic. Perhaps the spirit world and Mother Nature are not of the same broth however… at least not entirely.

The word ‘commitment’ should be close to having the same meaning and likewise ‘eternity’. But wait… eternity has to do with time and therefore fraught with possibilities. We therefore may not understand what immortality entails. Perhaps the ‘instance of life’ comes into play. In other words, life only exists in the ‘now’. One second ago, you are no longer alive… nor are you alive yet tomorrow.

Life as we know it is an aberration within the physical world. Life is actually an injected element with a lifespan of a millisecond. If that wasn’t true, then people would still be experiencing five minutes ago, an hour ago and last week. This, of course, would cause chaos. Since life is not a fixture of the physical, yet it exists in the physical, it has to be an injected element… an element with a lifespan of a millisecond.

Life, immortality and time

Lay hidden, however, are the deeper realities. We don’t know, for example, the relationship between time (this millisecond) and life itself… and surely there is a relationship. Since our concept of time is merely linear, the matter can only be explained thusly… life only exists from one millisecond to the next, it cannot endure any longer. While this doesn’t change what immortality means to us, it probably changes what it is.

Memories, on the other hand, are the results of life retained. So, in the same 'linear' sense, it is the baggage we carry from one millisecond to the next. This baggage would also include happiness, sadness and illnesses... except, it's only the memories of them carried forward. While they may linger and continue to have an effect, they only exist in the 'now'. Only the physical impacts of one's existence are long-lasting but only because they are physically related and can accommodate linear thinking.

While the foregoing may appear just another unproductive way to look at things, it should at least demonstrate the current understanding of time is lacking 'something'. The influence from having clocks and calendars has the effect of further distancing mankind from the reality of the matter.

Since man’s concept of time cannot accommodate ‘no beginning’ (the reality), or even our imagination often, would indicate a problem with linear thinking. It's only good for relative matters. However, it's just one small indication the concept is wrong, the others just haven’t revealed themselves yet. Time seems more than just a 'yardstick'... it's more likely a 'metabolism'.

“Cause is the effect concealed,
effect is the cause revealed”
Swami Vivekananda [1863-1902]

So… are we to forever jump from one millisecond to the next or does immortality entail something entirely different? Perhaps within the spirit world, jumping is not necessary. After all, spirits don’t have to contend with the physical… the physical is where life only exists one millisecond at a time.

Adventurous dreams and vividness

Assuredly dreaming, more-so the adventure-filled types, operates within a dimension man hasn’t recognized yet (also representing the activity of our spiritual soul). At any rate, following death the harvesting of memories for our dreams may become a very active pursuit. One might be able to re-live their favorite experiences (if controllable and not fated). This vividness should not be in doubt either. While we often associate dreams with a fuzzy picture show, we tend to forget those occasional eye-openers.

So, it seems, a dream state is more likely the case. We shouldn’t feel cheated though; it could be just as rewarding… perhaps even more thrilling (without the threat of being injured or killed). We rarely know when a dream is a dream anyway.

Apparitions and Tibetan Dream Yoga

While most all people believe the afterlife would involve one’s spirit, many seemingly believe their spirit will take on some spiritual shape, perhaps as an ‘angel’… except spirits, being immaterial, could not have a ‘shape’. Yet, we've all heard apparitions have shapes. Since this would be physically impossible suggests such images are manifested. Either the spirit world has the ability to manifest itself in a variety of ways, or else it is humans who do the manifesting. Since there seems some evidence the spirit world is passive, it points to our incredible powers. We may be more in control over spiritual matters than we've ever realized.

Another thought… while Tibetan Dream Yoga advocates the exploitation of lucid dreaming (to practice being aware one is dreaming while dreaming), and while this may have immediate benefits, it would seem spiritually counterproductive. One would learn more by following the dream machine, not by leading it. This would be especially true for mortals trying to analyze the 'natural state' of dreaming.

While 'being aware one is dreaming while dreaming' would seem to give one some control over their dreams, I'm not sure if knowing you're dreaming would be a good idea in the afterlife. After all, it would spoil the whole idea.

A.O. Kime

Go back to (or see more) articles on metaphysical wonders (phenomena) and the application of inkwell philosophy
Also see Dreams, Dreaming and Afterlife Dreamers
Also see our guest article The Dialogue of Dreams
Also see Metaphysical Semantics and the Paradox of Science

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